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  Genesis 1:16 and apologists- vegetation before the Sun?

  by joey jojo in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  gen 1: 11 says: .

  11 then god said, “let the earth sprout [j]vegetation, [k]plants yielding seed, and fruit trees on the earth bearing fruit according to [l]their kind [m]with seed in them”; and it was so.

  12 the earth produced [n]vegetation, [o]plants yielding seed according to [p]their kind, and trees bearing fruit [q]with seed in them, according to [r]their kind; and god saw that it was good.

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  Day 4 included sun, moon and stars, which seems to indicate that 'the heavens', if it was already created was simply vast emptiness.
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  Genesis 1:16 and apologists- vegetation before the Sun?

  by joey jojo in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  gen 1: 11 says: .

  11 then god said, “let the earth sprout [j]vegetation, [k]plants yielding seed, and fruit trees on the earth bearing fruit according to [l]their kind [m]with seed in them”; and it was so.

  12 the earth produced [n]vegetation, [o]plants yielding seed according to [p]their kind, and trees bearing fruit [q]with seed in them, according to [r]their kind; and god saw that it was good.

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  joey jojo

  Gen 1: 11 says:

  11 Then God said, “Let the earth sprout [j]vegetation, [k]plants yielding seed, and fruit trees on the earth bearing fruit according to [l]their kind [m]with seed in them”; and it was so. 12 The earth produced [n]vegetation, [o]plants yielding seed according to [p]their kind, and trees bearing fruit [q]with seed in them, according to [r]their kind; and God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day. (nasb)

  Then, in Gen 1:16:

  16 God made the two great lights, the greater light [x]to govern the day, and the lesser light [y]to govern the night; He made the stars also. 17 God placed them in the [z]expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, 18 and [aa]to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness; and God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening and there was morning, a fourth day. (nasb)

  So, according to Genesis, vegetation was created and grew, even produced fruit, for untold eons, before the Sun, or Moon were created.

  Its quite amusing to read the mental gymnastics apologists put forward to explain these verses. Everything from light being emitted from black holes, to light being diffused by the good old water vapour canopy. However, the bible verses cant be any clearer to an average person reading them. There are a lot of quotes from JWorg about the accuracy of the bible but here are a couple worth considering:

  "ALTHOUGH the Bible is not a science textbook, it is accurate when it discusses the natural world." - IS THE BIBLE REALLY FROM GOD?

  
  

  Logical conclusion drawn from that statement; we accept the bible as it is written, there is no need to interpret any verses.

  
  

  Concerning these verses JWorg says:

  Myth: The Bible says that vegetation was created before the sun existed to support photosynthesis.​—Genesis 1:​11, 16.

  Fact: The Bible shows that the sun, one of the stars that make up “the heavens,” was created before vegetation. (Genesis 1:1) Diffused light from the sun reached the earth’s surface during the first “day,” or epoch, of creation. As the atmosphere cleared, by the third “day” of creation, the light was strong enough to support photosynthesis. (Genesis 1:​3-5, 12, 13) Only later did the sun become distinctly visible from the surface of the earth.​—Genesis 1:​16. - Does Science Agree With the Bible?

  
  

  The JW answer is, as usual, misleading and disagrees with the bible account. The bible does not say that the sun was created along with 'the heavens'. It is very clear, the sun and the moon were created on the 4th day, after vegetation. If the first few verses of Genesis are read literally, then 'the heavens' do not include the sun, stars, or the moon.

  
  

  This all ends in a paradox, either the bible is wrong, or the jw's are wrong. The bible, according to jw's, can't be wrong, but they feel the need to correct the bible account in this instance- even though, according to them, its right.
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  JWs getting into film production what could go wrong

  by mickbobcat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so the cult is getting into film production.

  i saw evans piece on the jws opening a studio in australia.

  one thing i see is if they use the people who are drawn to acting one they will create internal stars.

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  One thing I remember about all the pre-taped dramas was the American accent. So funny watching an old school drama acted by the local brothers in some place in Australia that no-one has heard of, miming to American accents.
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  Google threatening to pull search engine from Australia

  by joey jojo in

  1. social
  2. current

  government is saying google should pay fees to news media for aggregating news.

  google says they will geo-block australia from search if forced to.

  raises some interesting questions about how dependant we have all become and how entangled google is in our lives.

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  To be fair, if you relying on social media platforms for emergency warnings, you probably need to re-assess your emergency plans.
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  C T Russell and His Numerology.

  by Lost in the fog in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i came across this older wt which i assume c t russell wrote the article.

  unlike modern practitioners of numerology who calculate a value for each letter of the alphabet, russell simply adds up the number of letters in each word to arrive at [horror of horrors] 666.. and he lists there on the page each one of the organisations that must accordingly be part of the great harlot with 18 letters [in english] in their titles, because 18 is clearly 6+6+6 or 666!

  strangely he hasn't stopped to think about another possibility for an 18 letter title.

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  Despite clearly saying the number is a mans number- or the number of a man, the preceding verse also mentions that you need the mark of the beast to buy or sell. A lot of people seem to think it is referring to Caesar Nero and it certainly makes sense ( to me anyway) if the mark of the beast is simply Nero's image stamped on coins.

  As a jw, I was taught that the number is 6, written 3 times for emphasis. This is blatant misinterpretation, as the number is translated as six hundred and sixty six. For whatever reason, jw's even feel the need to twist a basic bible verse like this one. They literally ignore what the verse says and make up their own interpretation.
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  The Bible speaks of the "Unforgivable Sin" ? What is it ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  do any jehovah`s witnesses or ex jehovah`s witnesses even know what that sin is ?.

  why is such a statement in the bible if its not identified what that sin is ?.

  were the authors of the book just playing with peoples heads ?

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  King David wilfully sinned more than once, including but not limited to adultery and murder. He can't claim blissful ignorance, he had direct access to Gods prophet, and yet he seems to have been forgiven and holds an esteemed position in the lineage of the messiah.

  Of course, a lot of other people lost their lives because of his actions but that's a story for another time. 🙄
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  Robbing your child of a normal upbringing

  by RiverPeace in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  happy to be joining you!.

  i am a 75 year old, who was baptized in 1968. had the full-on jw experience.

  elder since 1974. reg pioneered 20 years.

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  Hello RiverPeace

  At least you accept the consequences of your decisions- my parents still cant do that despite my Mother leaving the org 3 decades ago.

  My advice would be to encourage him, find ways to make him feel valued. You didnt have a normal parent/child relationship, you didnt spend your time investing in your childs future by helping him pursue his dreams and encouraging his strengths, try and do that now.
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  A 'typical JW' story

  by joey jojo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i am friends with an elderly 'worldly' woman, who was unaware i am an ex-jw.

  she employs a jw husband and wife pioneer couple for odd jobs around her house- mowing, cleaning etc.

  the couple has been working for her and her recently deceased husband for years.. just before the 2019 international convention, despite the fact that the husband was fighting his last battle with illness, the couple kept asking him to attend the convention with them.

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  joey jojo

  I am friends with an elderly 'worldly' woman, who was unaware I am an ex-jw. She employs a JW husband and wife pioneer couple for odd jobs around her house- mowing, cleaning etc. The couple has been working for her and her recently deceased husband for years.

  Just before the 2019 international convention, despite the fact that the husband was fighting his last battle with illness, the couple kept asking him to attend the convention with them. They were a friendly couple and didn't mind the request but understandably, couldn't attend due to illness.

  Now here is the 'typical jw' part.

  The woman I am friends with believed the jw couple to be genuine acquaintance's. They had been involved with the elderly couples lives for years. They had persistently asked the couple to attend meetings and found no problem with talking about their jw faith, yet despite that, my friend didn't judge them, she and her husband simply accepted them for who they were. They are wealthy, staunch, well- mannered church going catholics by the way.

  When her husband died, she was hurt that the jw couple did not attend the funeral because it was held in a catholic church. They had pestered them for years about attending conventions and meetings, yet couldn't offer any basic, human respects in return.

  It makes me think that all the hours spent witnessing, all the videos, magazines and zoom meetings that jw's feed into their brains, couldn't help them recognise real friendship when it is staring them in the face, or offer any real support. Any good opinion my friend had of the couple, built up over years was diminished - just like that, once the jw's showed their true colours.
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  Buy a Bible

  by joey jojo in

  1. social
  2. humour

  this is probably an oldie.

  buy a bible, never read it- you're probably a catholic.

  buy a bible, read only the parts you find interesting - you're probably an evangelist.

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  This is probably an oldie.

  Buy a bible, never read it- you're probably a Catholic.

  Buy a bible, read only the parts you find interesting - you're probably an evangelist.

  Buy a bible, read it all, study it, research it - you're probably an atheist.
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  "ONCE YOU SEE THE TRUTH YOU CAN`T UNSEE IT " Take note JW.ORG

  by smiddy3 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  inspired by a previous post i wrote and thought it deserved a place of its own .. i hope it helps people on their journey out of the wt/jw religion .. their is no going back after discovering the "truth" about the wt/jw religion.. its the path of freedom from enslavement to a man made religious organization that was born in america, a nation that has spawned numerous charlatan religious organizations, especially in the 1700`s to 1900`s .and even beyond..

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  joey jojo

  A persons mind - once expanded, cannot return to its original dimensions.

  I love this quote but can't remember who said it.